It seems to me that the forum switched to another software, which excludes older systems/browsers from it. That's not a very customer friendly way. Can anybody tell me what to do? I have no money to buy a new Apple nor do I want to move to another OS of Apple.
Peter recently updated to the most recent version of our forum software (Discourse).
It's unfortunate that this upgrade has obsoleted Firefox on your (now ancient) version of macOS, but time and technology move forward whether we like it or not.
I'm running macOS 10.14.6 Mojave on a 2012 i7 MacBook Air myself, and the lack of support for modern software is pinching me more and more...
I'll have to upgrade my hardware pretty soon, and I'm not at all anxious to spend the money. I'm waiting for the WWDC to see what mischief Apple has in store for us this year, before I decide what I'm going to do.
If you have a selection, it Googles it, otherwise it prompts you for a destination (like the Keyboard Maestro forum) from a list you can easily add to. And when you get somwhere (like this forum), it looks like this:
But just for information: it's not anxiousness, that does not let me update, but I still rely on programs that use Snow Leopard (SL) and/or El Capitan (EC).
My Mac Mini 2011 would also run Oses up to High Sierra, but that OS is unfortunately by far not so reliable as are SL or EC (and my impression is that this is true also for all this more modern Oses above X).
Moreover, new Apples are above all expensive...
mrpasini (thanks also, mrpasini, and for your macro) directed me to Vivaldi, which (contrary to his opinon) also runs on EC and is therefore better than nothing...
Nevertheless, I think with software which is used by a lot op people with legitimate different needs it should be carefully weighted, if an update is really needed or only a nerdy thing for beauty (which is all too often the case).
High Sierra was the most stable of the lot for me, so you might want to give it a go. I'd try and get round the SL/EC issue by running VMs inside HS. You should be able to do the same on any Intel-based Mac, eg a refurbished 2020 iMac, so could even run on Ventura and still use your old software.
Peter is very cognizant of the needs of his users and does his best to accommodate them within reason.
Keyboard Maestro supports much older versions of macOS than most software these days:
Keyboard Maestro 10 requires macOS 10.13 High Sierra or later (including Ventura, native in Apple Silicon/M1). For OS X 10.12 and older, download an old version.
Nevertheless – the 10 year old version of macOS you're using is not even supported by Apple anymore, so it's completely unreasonable to expect an indie developer to do so.
I sympathize with your reasons for sticking with the hardware and version of macOS you're using, and I've been in this position myself for a long time.
If I was flush with cash I'd be rockin' the most up-to-date hardware Apple offers, and like @mrpasini suggests I'd employ virtualization to use older software as necessary. Instead I have to make very careful choices about when and were to spend my money to get the maximum bang-for-buck and hardware longevity.
The issue isn't KM. It's the forum software. I've been bitten by the same situation as user iur. Ultimately, all that's really necessary here is text, formatted text, uploads, downloads, images, and notifications. That's well within the capabilities of older browsers. I look at the forum software as akin to the years of Microsoft bloat, adding features for features' sake and reducing usability at the same time.
Simple example: I was reading through a thread yesterday and I clicked a disclosure triangle in the last post to see the macro image. I then went back to the original post to re-read the submitter's goal. Then I went back to the last post. Voilà! I now had to click the disclosure triangle again to see the image again. That is not progress. That's bad work.
Believe me, I know any complaints I have about the forum software will have no bearing on anything, but that doesn't absolve companies of bad practices.
I would add "security" -- and Discourse has had some holes that have been patched in recent releases. Some fixes will, by necessity, stop older browsers from working with the site. And some will by accident, or by less-than-thoughtful implementation.
Peter will have had to pick the lesser of two evils -- maintain the integrity/availability of the Forum while spoiling things for a minority of users, or add risk for everyone in an attempt to accommodate that minority.
Interestingly enough, on my iPhone 6 Plus running iOS 12.6, I get a message when accessing the forum that iOS 13 and older will shortly no longer be supported. But a read-only text version of the site will still be accessible.
macOS Mojave (10.14) and its Safari browser (v14) got switched to read-only mode on this site the other day. There was no advance notice. It's an OS/browser engine released five years ago and last updated two years ago.
I reported this to Stairways support yesterday. It seems Discourse has updated and no longer supports Safari 14. It’s not something that this forum has a choice about.
This reply comes via the latest version of Brave, running on Mojave, without any issues.
Browsers based on WebKit (the most notable being Safari) certainly have problems now. For a browser that has WebKit and other features in common with Safari, you could try Orion, which can still be used to log in, although you may get some buggy behaviour when editing text, as I learned from a quick test just now.
Thanks, kevinb. I've got KM forum access right now using the Firefox ESR (Extended Support Release). We'll see how long I'm willing to run a browser for one site when I have no plans to switch so many Maestro-based setups from Safari to any other browser.
Most important is that anyone in a similar situation knows there are options.
Firefox ESR, that's another new one to me! There are so many Web browsers now.
I have long since given up using one browser for all sites and all purposes. My choice out of the most suitable browsers for accessing this forum is set in an Open URL action. The forum URL is even the default. for that one! How convenient!
That would have been a great suggestion @_jims if not for the fact that Velja requires MacOS 13.3 which, if you have that, means you wouldn’t be having the problem with an out of date Safari in the first place But a useful tool in any case!
Because it seemed like overkill in terms of the original question (KM should suffice!), I didn't raise the subject of apps that can select browsers according to various criteria, but I can recommend Choosy, running under 10.14.x (Mojave).
The latest version requires MacOS 11.x (Big Sur) but according to the Web site, older versions support MacOS at least as far back as MacOS 10.x (Mavericks).
Choosy looks pretty cool. If I’m not mistaken, Brett Terpstra is a big fan. That’s another great endorsement.
Although it won’t work for the problem at hand, I use and like Velja. For Setapp subscribers there is also OpenIn. For macOS 10.15 there’s even a free version.
But a useful tool in any case!